Tried to change the destiny? Anyone?

[rudra]

@ Gaurang


Yes I understand, we have similar stories, but just that in case of Liao Fan we see that he already knew his destiny and he was able to change it thru simple means - not tapasya etc......but by helping others.


What is good in that story is, he did good deeds and got reward in this life itself....not next life. He wrote this method for his son and due to it w had a written material....it was later followed by many.


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I've gone thru the story. It's nice. I dunno whether it's a true one or a mythological story to motivate people to do only good deeds. Even if its a true one, its not new for us. Again the same Karma concept applies here. If you do lots of good Karma, you'll enjoy good benefits in life. There are lots of things like this in our scriptures itself. No need to go for any chinese buddhist stories.
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True, but I was always confused in one thing that, will our positive karma cancel negative karma OR we will have to enjoy fruits of positive and negative karma separately. Liao fan's true story shows that positive karma cancels negative karma. Thus on same lines Valmiki who commited many murders washed his sins thru Ram Naam.
As Krishnamurti has said, in a dasha, bad times and good times dont cancel each other out, so I used to think that our good merits wont cancel bad merits. But Liao Fan's story tells a different fact.
And mind well, Liao fan is not a mythology, his story is highly regarded in China and Japan. And I feel that the useful knowledge, it may be from any nation or culture, should be accepted.
Also, you said that Vrinchi has quite a success in giving remedies. Thats good. But even U and Virinchi would agree that for remedies to work there should be a base. e.g if we know that a person has bumpy married life then using remedies that bumpyness may go a little. But what if that person had no marriage itself?
I am not sure if remedies can help in such cases. Or what if a mahadasha is not a significator of 2 7 11 in any way. Then will remedies for marriage help in this case? Virinch can answer this better....but whatever knowledge I have on remedies, in above 2 cases remedies wont help, as in 1st case marriage is denied by sublord and in another case mahadasha does not signify 2 or 7 or 11 in any way. I guess Liao Fan's method can be helpful in such cases.
Regards,
Rudra

[rudra]

@Virinchi,

I have read on this form that you also had suggested some remedies to a few and it did helped them.
My generic questions for you are these...

1) Your remedies did work for few to many, but I wanted to know that will such remedies only work when there is a little help from stars too?
e.g say that if a person who comes to you has a married life with ups and downs, then the remedies will help make those ups and downs smoother so that he can enjoy his married life in a better way. But what if the stars help in NO WAY, I mean what if God has denied him marriage....then still can remedies change that NO marriage to Yes marriage?

2) In you exp of astrology have you come across any remedies which can change a result, which has been completely denied, to a Yes?
   e.g in Akkalkot, near Solapur Maharashtra, in 17th century, Swami Samartha used to guide people in trouble. He was known to be dattatreya avatar.
   Once a old lady came to him for want of child and started serving him and did his bhakti a lot. Finally Swami samarth told to her that she did not had child in her destiny. Her reply was....destiny is decided by God, if God himself says this then why should a common man worship him. She continued her bhakti, finally swami samartha gave her 2 coconuts and indeed she had children.

   Thus, what is the factor by which destiny can be changed?

3) You had mentioned in one of your replies to my post that when the earth was formed it had a finite karma, that karma was distributed to all the atmas and thus karma cannot be created and destroyed, one has to leave all the karma here and then only he will be free from life and death.
Also, you had said that a person who wants to change his destiny wil have to observe...that if indeed he manages to change it, how many thing around him which change i.e how many people\'s karma which change due to it? Thus he wont be able to change the destiny.
But then I humbly ask you, how was Osama Bin laden able to change karmas of all those on WTC towers?
   a) If in reality every thing is hard programmed with no scope of change then how can one earn punya or how can one give up karma and leave this earth...because you had said that all is fixed.

   May be I have commited some mistake in quoting you wrongly here, I wrote what I remembered from your replies to various posts.

   I will be thankful to get your candid replies here.


Regards,
Rudra

[jayesh the angel]

Hi All,
I want to share 2 experiences of my life  with all of you.
1) I fell down from a height of around 5 feet when I was only 2 months old on my head(back side) all the doctors said I wont survive, though they continued the treatment. My father didn\'t given up, he took me to a bigger hospital, got a neuro surgery done on my head.and I was ok and still leaving like a normal person. Will u say I was destined to live, little longer or you will say my father changed my destiny by reacting quickly.
2) My father showed my kundali to one of the astrologer and he said that I wont study much, would depend upon others for survival, and also advised my dad to open a shop for me so i can earn my lively hood, but I decided to study higher, I completed my graduation in management, an MBA degree and still perusing a degree in law.

Shouldn\'t we say we are the crafters of our destiny.

[JayTee]

that astrologer may not have enough knowledge and may be he didnt know k.p astrology.
If you consult any k.p astrologer, none of them will mislead you
even in old fashioned astrology, accuracy can be obtained but it requires an astrologer to have lot of knowledge, experience and need to study atleast 5 different charts(minimum) of one person.

people will half baked knowledge used to wear dhoti, rudraksh etc and mislead the society for ages

you can post your details in astro reading forum (not here.. personal details will be deleted here) if you want to get better reading

regarding destiny and freewill...

freewill existed initially when creation started, but as we went on accumulating karma, now we\'re completely bond by it and almost everything is decided by planets.
even if a new soul comes into this creation now with 100% freewill, he/she will not have freedom to exercise it because of collective karma of others being more influential and powerful.
may be that new soul can have freewill if it lives in some area where there\'s no more humans

[rudra]

@Jaytee

If what you said is true, then, how will you explain this:

A person ABC will commit bad deeds....but when he would be told by God that since he commited bad deeds he will have to face a bad life in his next incarnation. But then ABC strongly reacts and says......

\"O God!!! I had no free will, every thing was fixed, I behaved in such a way because you hard-programmed my life (horoscope)...so how can you blame me for my bad deeds???\"


Regards,
Rudra

[rquote=12096&topic=1600&author=JayTee]regarding destiny and freewill...

freewill existed initially when creation started, but as we went on accumulating karma, now we\'re completely bond by it and almost everything is decided by planets.
even if a new soul comes into this creation now with 100% freewill, he/she will not have freedom to exercise it because of collective karma of others being more influential and powerful.
may be that new soul can have freewill if it lives in some area where there\'s no more humans[/rquote]

[JayTee]

the ultimate reality in philosphy is that god and we are not seperate entities.
Its just one soul creating multiple images of itself and acting as different beings in this creation.
And that is advaita.

so, your idea of blaming god will fail there bcos you are also god and you made a choice to be like this (its just that you forgot what was planned before you came to earth)

by the time you understand this \'reality\', you have nothing much to do on earth.
and by the time you \'experience\' this \'reality\', you\'ll leave thise planet.

thats why someone asked you to read and \'understand\' tripura rahasya in some other post.

souls on earth are not matured to same level, so one answer will not satisfy all of them.
each one needs to be told differently and public forums are not right place(as people start generalising each statement)

consult a guru personally if you dont follow tripura rahasya while reading it, or if you cant read it

[rudra]

@Jaytee

Thanks for your answer. But still, I believe that one should not put a re-direction in place of an answer. My question to you was simple...I gave one analogy of a person ABC. If your humble answer to that analogy question is that I should go and read tripura rahasya then I think its unfair. Its like, telling a person to go and study KP astrology when that person had come to you for predictions. If you have indeed read (and understood Tripura Rahsya) then you can easily answer this analogy. I believe my question was very very simple and answer to it should not be a re-direction to tripura rahasya.


Self Realization, which you said should also be fixed and there will be a specific time scheduled for it. We all are images of God is correct, we forget why we took birth on this planet is also correct, but if at all we have taken birth now to face the music of all our deeds and we will be given no freewill now as we already have exahusted all of it in some of our initial births then this is not digestable. Birth of animals, all of them, have a fixed nature of life . They have absolutely no chance of getting liberated in that yoni. But the fact that one takes birth of a human directly means that gates of salvation have opened for us, yes, we have many things which we see as fixed but its just because we dont know the correct way to alter them...we usually use our will power which always fails. Simply because our will comes from our brain. Our brain is behaves as per our prarabdha.
There is one shloke in sanskrit \"Buddhi karma-nu-sarini\". This explains why \"vinash-kaal-vipirat-buddhi\". Thus applying logic or tricks or using will power will not alter the future.

I will like to quote here one line from Tripura Rahsya which is translated into English by SWAMI SRI RAMANANANDA SARASWATHI.

\"62. The current notion that one cannot escape one's
destiny is applicable only to weak-minded and senseless
wastrels.\"

Thus tripura rahasya itself says what it says.

If you really feel that our lives are fully fixed and we dont have any freewill left, then the concept of right way and wrong way loose significance....because for us it does not matter which was we choose in life, right or wrong...as that way is already fixed for us.

I am really not trying to annoy you here, but please understand that we are humans, only humans are qualified for final liberation as per our shastras. Why? Why only humans and not animals...in fact animals perfectly obey their duties and unlike humans they never break the natural laws. Humans have been given ability to judge, think, and act. We have been sent here to pay for our past deeds as well as enjoy the good deeds. But we do have a freewill which is definitely restricted. But even using that restricted free will once can get liberated.

If what you say is fully true then our Moksha is also fixed.....so if you want to attan Moksha in this life then you will never get it as it was not written in your fate.....this means that all our shastras, which say that we should behave nicely with every one and do good deeds, is false. Since how we behave and what deeds we perform is already fixed..then how can we say that we deserve a place in heaven, hell or moksha as it ws already fixed. Why will Krishna say in 18th adhyaya in Gita that one should leave all relegions and surrender to him? If everything was fixed then surrendering or not surrendering to Krishna should also be fixed, thus our liberation is also fixed. In that case life becomes like a hard coded computer program.

Anyways, please try to answer my question about the person ABC, this will help every one I believe.

Kind Regards,
Rudra


[rquote=12098&topic=1600&author=JayTee]the ultimate reality in philosphy is that god and we are not seperate entities.
Its just one soul creating multiple images of itself and acting as different beings in this creation.
And that is advaita.

so, your idea of blaming god will fail there bcos you are also god and you made a choice to be like this (its just that you forgot what was planned before you came to earth)

by the time you understand this \'reality\', you have nothing much to do on earth.
and by the time you \'experience\' this \'reality\', you\'ll leave thise planet.

thats why someone asked you to read and \'understand\' tripura rahasya in some other post.

souls on earth are not matured to same level, so one answer will not satisfy all of them.
each one needs to be told differently and public forums are not right place(as people start generalising each statement)

consult a guru personally if you dont follow tripura rahasya while reading it, or if you cant read it[/rquote]

[JayTee]

that ABC is heavily under influence of maaya and he strongly believes that god and himself are two seperate entities.
Infact many are.. only few have understood the reality and very few have experienced it.

your statement given by some swami is not in actual version of tripura.
it might be that swami\'s personal opinion, in which case you should consult him to get your answer.

tripura says, by attaining knowledge about advaita and soul, one can eliminate sanchita karma (accumulated since many lives) and aagami (created now in this life to be carried forward).
but prarabdha karma remains as long as we\'re in this body and it cant be removed by any means.

thats why even after dattatreya preached it to parasuram, he still had his prarabdha karma(fixed karma for this life time) with him and lived with it.

main reason why this karma cant be totally eliminated it because its relative (as explained by virinchi in other post) and for changing one\'s karma, many people karma needs to be changed.

about redirection : if you asked for predictions and i told you that in xyz dasa, this will happen.
then you question again that how will that happen and why cant it be changed ?
Then obviously i\'ve to ask you to understand k.p, because you want to know the reason/logic behind the prediction and get into its details.

Also, instead of arguing with everyone or trying to quote from books, why dont you apply and change your fate totally and set an example for others to follow? (i know you will conviniently say that you\'re not 100% sure about what might actually happen in your future, so its hard to modify it without actually knowing it.. so either be sure about what will happen, or stop thinking about this topic, because without knowing you cant do anything)

if a doctor claims that AIDS can be cured, nobody will believe him because this world has so far not seen 100% cure for AIDS.
until he invents a medicine and proves his point, he will be just wasting his time by making statements.

there\'s actual rahasya hidden in that book, which says that when you can take your mind to a level where you can travel back into your past karma and modify the root cause, you will see modified results in real life.
Its like you\'ve sown a tamarind seed in past and now you dont remember it but you want a mango.

When you start seeing tamarind tree coming up, you want to go back in time and sow mango tree and comeback to see it grow in reality.

This method was described by Sonipravin in some post about \'brain pulse\' (plz search for it). but i\'m not sure if he has applied and changed something, because he himself keeps asking astro queries about himself and his family.

so, until AIDS is proved to be cured by some medicine, it will considered as uncurable disease.

[sonipravin]

Dear Jay Tee,

I have read your reply which is very knowledgeable. I will speak as a layman as I do not have knowledge of all that you have quoted so I quote you from personal experience:

I practise palmistry since 1989. In my palm my fate line ends at the age of 52. Right when I entered the year 52 the business started looking uncertain. Initially I did get good business as I had been getting since 1971 upto 1999 but at 1999 April I started feeling that I should retire and I hired a salesperson to help me in my business upcountry, which is what I used to do to get business. This person, though known to me, was not the right type and again I had to relieve him and continue with my work. I was strongly determined to extend this fate line and it did get extended though dimly. The result was the business was up and down and not as smooth as before.

Now the Sun Line supports the weak fate line from 52 and hence despite the ups and down I continued to earn, though not as much as before. I never bothered about my fate and went about my work with determination and got my fate line extended and new one emerged from the heart line, which was prominent.

After this change I came across my own Guru in1995. He is an expert Astrologer, Numerologist and a person who can see past and future through his Vision but this is done only on  Thursdays at Pooja and all were not informed the results of their query., but to those whom he replied he gave accurate information and is known to have given children to even impotent husbands. Even my Guru, when I introduced him to another respectable Aged Astrologer in Bombay was impressed with this Astrologer. My Guru asked him certain astrological questions too though he was himself an expert astrologer.

This Astrologer (Kaka Gajeria) had some 3 months back been hospitalised and Haemoglobin reduced to 4. He would perform Pooja daily at his house for 2 hours. He did free reading to all and because of his honesty and sincerity to help others he would at times give replies which was not from astrological calculations but they all turned out to be correct and we claim it to be the Voice of God (Intuition). When my Guru met him he immediately predicted that 2 years from now you will face even more serious health problems and that turned out to be true. This was done purely through his Future Vision of this Astrologer. He gave him remedy too and when the time arrived I know my Guru protected him. Maybe all this couldbe in his karma but I know for sure this person has survived many times being on the verge of Death and is now a healthy person at the age of 76 with Haemoglobin 15.

You change yourself or you keep yourself much above the normal health limit at such an advanced stage only through Good Karma and this is what this Astrologer did. He helped many people through his Guidance and pooja (both astrologically and spiritually). He was instrumental in saving one IPS Officer from the wrath of a Minister through his Pooja. He saved a Jain Mandir from being demolished through his pooja though Govt. were hell bent on demolishing it as it was unauthorised.

What I am implying is that my Guru and the Astrologers both were good Astrologers and also very high spiritually and still believed in each other and sought the advise of the other or asked the other questions just like you said that I asked the question on astrology advise.

When I met my Guru in 1995 May, he took me to my Sadguru and after meeting HIM I found a person who has total command, control of everything that HE did. HE could do almost anything. In fact there are people who have said that HE never failed in solving the problems of anyone through HIS Wisdom and Spiritual Powers, though HE told me once that all diseases are cured by simple Brainwashing. You have to know where the defect lies and you have to remove it through proper guidance of that person. Even Cancer, Failed Kidneys etc. etc. can be cured through this method and HE always did it. Still despite all HIS powers and a person who can see all your previous births and also where you will in the future, HE also asks us certain things that we cannot understand why?

HE once asked to get an admission for a child of a girl, whose parents were HIS followers, in a school run by my Brother. This girl stayed very near that school. Why did HE ask that for I know He can do it very easily through HIS powers. HIS purpose was that my Bhabhi, who had met this Sadguru too, would erase some of her karmas by giving admission to this child.

I have seen HIM change the destiny of so many persons but would not know whether that person\'s fate showed change or not.

Whether you can change your destiny or not we can believe more strongly once we have changed our own. Only then we can say that one can change his destiny.

Pravin Kumar
 

[Varenya]

@sonipravin
people here will not believe you because according to your horoscope in k.p, your predictions were made (even in horary) by Virinchi, seetaram and others and you accepted them to be true in other threads (ref. horary section).

If your fate was changed, virinchi & co would have failed to predict your chart correctly.

so either those palmists and astrologers didnt have enough knowledge and only mislead you.

If you could change fate, you would have tried it on your son\'s fate too.

so instead of just making misleading statements, comeback with proofs.
infact i too want to change fate and i\'m looking upto you.