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Title: Tried to change the destiny? Anyone?
Post by: rudra on November 05, 2011, 04:42:34 AM
Dear Friends,


Many of you are good in correctly predicting future happenings, but thats not the complete goal. When a troubled soul comes to an astrologer and asks him about his problem as to what the stars are saying, the questioner has 2 objectives.......1) Tell me what will happen as I am in trouble 2) Remedies


I visited a KP astrologer (late) who was considered as Krishnamurti of Mumbai. He was really an aggressive person but an extremely honest one, I really respect him for his honesty and tremendous KP knowledge he had ( KP exp of 25 yrs, each day study of around 25 kundalis using KP). His answers were almost always correct.
I one day said to him "Sir, after such vast exp and success in KP, do you have any such method with which we can suppress the prarabdha? OR a good remedy which will alter the destiny?"


In one word he said "No"


So it means if some body does not have a destiny of having a child will remain childless so on and so forth.




We all are having diff exp, we are different thinkers. We may not have 25 yrs of astrology exp but still, some of us may have stumbled upon a method, may be difficult, to alter destiny.
Some may reply to this post saying that "destiny cannot be changed" etc...But let me tell you that Tripura Rhasya clearly says that unchangeable destiny is just for ordinary people.


Thus there are ways, just that we are not aware of them.


Anyone has any positive exp in this regard?


e.g One astro gives predictions about you....one by one all come bang on target. Then at one point you decide to rebel, find a way and change the future.....this way you will be sure that your remedy worked and it was not a wrong prediction.




Members experiences on this topic will help everyone, plz share


If any member wants to say that destiny cannot be changed, plz explain following 2 cases:
1) Maha rishi Valmiki, who initially used to kill people travelling in the forest ......became a Sage, the sins he had commited were rubbed by ram naam.
2) Markanday was destined to live upto 16 yrs only...this prediction was not done by any astrologer but by Lord Shiva himself. This prediction was changed and Markanday never died.




Regards,
Rudra
Title: @virinchi
Post by: Seetaram on November 05, 2011, 08:32:37 AM
you haven't read or understood tripura rahasya till now.
you should also understand why is it called 'rahasya' and whats the secret in it.

now you come up and ask us to suggest few page numbers in that book which can answer your questions.
by any chance , are you a modern day student ? who reads important questions only before going for exam?

why didnt you ask the same question to that k.p astrologer(krishnamurti of mumbai)?

if he said "NO", then its "NO" because even krishnamurti of chennai said "NO" in the past.

next time when you ask something, read thoroughly, try to understand and ask.
don't expect quick, one line answers in topics like philosophy.
They can't be answered just like that. One needs to have enough life experience to understand it(which may come to you in future but not now)

and finally, this is a discussion forum, not a problem solving quickie platform.
so if you gain some knowledge from here, try to apply it on your own and learn from your own experiences.
Title: @virinchi
Post by: Sujay on November 05, 2011, 09:33:47 AM
I completely agree to Rudra's example of Valmiki and Markandeya. Infact there are many such instances in Guru Charithre itself wherein the complete surrender to God/Guru has lead to salvation. People who want to understand easily need not go in search of what is "Rahasya and whats the secret in it". First let them try to read these Charithre (which is not a Rahasya for sure) where there are profound examples of sins being wiped off by Guru / God himself for all who had higher degree of bhakti and sense of self surrender.
Title: @virinchi
Post by: pallavi on November 05, 2011, 11:15:02 AM
what sujay said is bhakti marga.
in this, you'll chose to surrender but cannot ask what to change or how to change.
its upto god to decide what is good for you.

many who entered bhakti marga like this have suffered because they still had past karma attached to them.
when it was removed, they reached god.
may be their horoscopes indicated such path already.

like siddarth's horoscope suggested that he would become a great saint in future and he went onto become gowtama buddha.

But in Gyana marga, you have to start by a question and try to get an answer
Title: @virinchi
Post by: Seetaram on November 05, 2011, 11:52:05 AM
dear rudra
when you already know examples of someone who changed fate by following some method, then why dont you too follow the same path and find your answers.

why do you expect others to follow and set more and more examples.

could be two reasons :

1. you feel that markandeya's story might not be real and you want a living example.
2. you just want everyone's opinion on your doubts but in real you are not interested to solve anything yourself

if above 1 is false and 2 is true, then you should start applying markandeya method of bhakti yoga.
if 1 is true and 2 is also true, then none of your questions will ever receive proper answer in this life.
if 1 is true and 2 is false, then forums are not right place for you. step out of internet world and look out to meet real people because if such ppl exist, they wont be online for sure.
if both are false(its not possible in your case), you wont be asking questions here
Title: @virinchi
Post by: gauranggroups on November 05, 2011, 08:55:54 PM
Rudra,

If you've asked this question in a selfless motive and only to help others, its really good. But many people, mainly astrologers are trying to find the answer for the very same question. But nobody has got answer for that. Because this again is totally not in the reach of ordinary human beings. Whatever Sujay said is true. There are many instances in our ithihasas and puranas to prove that. But again as Pallavi quoted, everything has been done by pure Bhakti Marga.

Based on your Karma only, you'll take birth in a particular time, which eventually decides your horoscope. Everything will happen based on your horo only. Even when God incarnated, he himself hasn't broken any of the law and he has followed everything. Lord Rama is the best example.

But by doing certain remedies, you can change the impact of the fate even though you can't change the fate. i.e. We can maximize the benefits and minimize the sufferings. But again that's not in our hands. Nobody can say how far the impact can be changed by doing certain remedies. An Astrologer can only suggest the remedies, but God only can decide on the result.

In the very same forum, Virinchi has suggested many remedies to many people and also he has stated that he has suggested many remedies to many people personally too and most of them have worked too. Even he hasn't guaranteed the results of any such remedies. If the result is in human's hands, the Karma concept itself wouldn't exist. A person will kill someone and do the particular remedy and will wipe-off the bad Karma. That can't be done, right?
Title: @virinchi
Post by: rudra on November 07, 2011, 01:41:00 AM

@ Seetaram


With all respects to you, Tripura Rahasya is not easy to understand, one needs to read it time and again. Secondly, Krishnamurti of Chennai is not GOD.


Regards,
Rudra

you haven't read or understood tripura rahasya till now.
you should also understand why is it called 'rahasya' and whats the secret in it.

now you come up and ask us to suggest few page numbers in that book which can answer your questions.
by any chance , are you a modern day student ? who reads important questions only before going for exam?

why didnt you ask the same question to that k.p astrologer(krishnamurti of mumbai)?

if he said "NO", then its "NO" because even krishnamurti of chennai said "NO" in the past.

next time when you ask something, read thoroughly, try to understand and ask.
don't expect quick, one line answers in topics like philosophy.
They can't be answered just like that. One needs to have enough life experience to understand it(which may come to you in future but not now)

and finally, this is a discussion forum, not a problem solving quickie platform.
so if you gain some knowledge from here, try to apply it on your own and learn from your own experiences.
Title: @virinchi
Post by: rudra on November 07, 2011, 01:47:44 AM

@ Seetaram


I have two motives here, 1) Discussion - it helps me as well as others 2) We do not have a life that long to try and find all answers by ourselves. Thus, it helps to learn from other's experience.


Respects,
Rudra

dear rudra
when you already know examples of someone who changed fate by following some method, then why dont you too follow the same path and find your answers.

why do you expect others to follow and set more and more examples.

could be two reasons :

1. you feel that markandeya's story might not be real and you want a living example.
2. you just want everyone's opinion on your doubts but in real you are not interested to solve anything yourself

if above 1 is false and 2 is true, then you should start applying markandeya method of bhakti yoga.
if 1 is true and 2 is also true, then none of your questions will ever receive proper answer in this life.
if 1 is true and 2 is false, then forums are not right place for you. step out of internet world and look out to meet real people because if such ppl exist, they wont be online for sure.
if both are false(its not possible in your case), you wont be asking questions here
Title: @virinchi
Post by: rudra on November 07, 2011, 02:18:41 AM
@ gaurang



Rudra,

If you've asked this question in a selfless motive and only to help others, its really good. But many people, mainly astrologers are trying to find the answer for the very same question. But nobody has got answer for that. Because this again is totally not in the reach of ordinary human beings. Whatever Sujay said is true. There are many instances in our ithihasas and puranas to prove that. But again as Pallavi quoted, everything has been done by pure Bhakti Marga.

I had this question in my mind for ages. I feel that for humans, god has given us enough brains to get liberated from cycle of life and death. Also, we will get answer to alter the destiny only if we try for it. If a man sits down and gives up when some renowned astrologer says that No remedies, then I believe that he is an ordinary person. Yes Guricharitra, Sai Satcharitra, Swami Samartha Bhakar etc.. have many examples of change in destiny. But the difference in those examples and our case is, there those people whose destiny changed has direct access to avatra in physical form e.g Sai baba of Shirdi. But we have no such luck here. Thus a need for other way similar to bhakti marg. I know what I said here is debatable, I am not able to put my words together here as this is such a vast topic.

Based on your Karma only, you'll take birth in a particular time, which eventually decides your horoscope. Everything will happen based on your horo only. Even when God incarnated, he himself hasn't broken any of the law and he has followed everything. Lord Rama is the best example.


True. Lord Rama knew whats instored for him and ready to face it, his objective was to teach humanity through his actions. But we are normal people, we strive to make things better for us. Just that, I feel that one should question beliefs that nothing can be changed, as I feel that there are ways, and, will power is definitely not one of it.


But by doing certain remedies, you can change the impact of the fate even though you can't change the fate. i.e. We can maximize the benefits and minimize the sufferings. But again that's not in our hands. Nobody can say how far the impact can be changed by doing certain remedies. An Astrologer can only suggest the remedies, but God only can decide on the result.

In the very same forum, Virinchi has suggested many remedies to many people and also he has stated that he has suggested many remedies to many people personally too and most of them have worked too. Even he hasn't guaranteed the results of any such remedies. If the result is in human's hands, the Karma concept itself wouldn't exist. A person will kill someone and do the particular remedy and will wipe-off the bad Karma. That can't be done, right?


I am suggesting one remedy here, may be it can be considered as a bluff. But its true story which happened 500 yrs back in China. I am not sure if you know Liao Fan's 4 lessons. The first lesson itself gives the remedy. I hope it will be useful to members here.
I have started following it, but it takes time to show the effect. I will give here the real story in very brief.


500 yrs ago in China, there was a teenager called Liao fan. He once met an astrologer whose predictions were deadly accurate...such that the astrologer was able to even predict the salary of Liao fan after many yrs in future. Liao Fan got all his life predictions written by that astrologer. All predictions started coming true, bang on target. Among the predictions Liao Fan was told was that he will never have any child and he will die on 14th Aug at a specific time at the age of 53. Liao Fan lost faith in self will and thought that all is predestined. One day he found a way to change destiny.


I hope all will get help from this.


Here is the link.


https://www.buddhistebooks.com/eBooks/Liao_Fan/First_Lesson.html (https://www.buddhistebooks.com/eBooks/Liao_Fan/First_Lesson.html)


Regards,
Rudra
Title: @virinchi
Post by: gauranggroups on November 07, 2011, 03:43:57 AM
Rudra,

I've gone thru the story. It's nice. I dunno whether it's a true one or a mythological story to motivate people to do only good deeds. Even if its a true one, its not new for us. Again the same Karma concept applies here. If you do lots of good Karma, you'll enjoy good benefits in life. There are lots of things like this in our scriptures itself. No need to go for any chinese buddhist stories.

By performing certain yagnas, one can even become Indra. Don't you know the story of Mahabali Chakravarthy? If a man can become Indra, why can't a Liao-fan pass an imperial exam and become a Mayor? In fact, a Jeevatma can reach to the maximum level of Bramha, as per our Shastras. It's also signifying Bhakti Marga again. By having some commitments, he's doing only good deeds.

I can understand that you are having a fire to find out the way to change the destiny. I'm not here to discourage you. In many cases, nobody can say something is neither possible nor impossible. But few things are very rare and few things are easier. That's what one can say. Is it possible for you to make a person to commit and follow that he'll do only good deeds in his life without doing anything bad? If, yes, try out and see yourself. All the Best!!
Title: @virinchi
Post by: rudra on November 08, 2011, 01:54:14 AM
@ Gaurang


Yes I understand, we have similar stories, but just that in case of Liao Fan we see that he already knew his destiny and he was able to change it thru simple means - not tapasya etc......but by helping others.


What is good in that story is, he did good deeds and got reward in this life itself....not next life. He wrote this method for his son and due to it w had a written material....it was later followed by many.


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I've gone thru the story. It's nice. I dunno whether it's a true one or a mythological story to motivate people to do only good deeds. Even if its a true one, its not new for us. Again the same Karma concept applies here. If you do lots of good Karma, you'll enjoy good benefits in life. There are lots of things like this in our scriptures itself. No need to go for any chinese buddhist stories.
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True, but I was always confused in one thing that, will our positive karma cancel negative karma OR we will have to enjoy fruits of positive and negative karma separately. Liao fan's true story shows that positive karma cancels negative karma. Thus on same lines Valmiki who commited many murders washed his sins thru Ram Naam.
As Krishnamurti has said, in a dasha, bad times and good times dont cancel each other out, so I used to think that our good merits wont cancel bad merits. But Liao Fan's story tells a different fact.
And mind well, Liao fan is not a mythology, his story is highly regarded in China and Japan. And I feel that the useful knowledge, it may be from any nation or culture, should be accepted.
Also, you said that Vrinchi has quite a success in giving remedies. Thats good. But even U and Virinchi would agree that for remedies to work there should be a base. e.g if we know that a person has bumpy married life then using remedies that bumpyness may go a little. But what if that person had no marriage itself?
I am not sure if remedies can help in such cases. Or what if a mahadasha is not a significator of 2 7 11 in any way. Then will remedies for marriage help in this case? Virinch can answer this better....but whatever knowledge I have on remedies, in above 2 cases remedies wont help, as in 1st case marriage is denied by sublord and in another case mahadasha does not signify 2 or 7 or 11 in any way. I guess Liao Fan's method can be helpful in such cases.
Regards,
Rudra
Title: @virinchi
Post by: rudra on December 10, 2011, 08:37:02 PM

@Virinchi,

I have read on this form that you also had suggested some remedies to a few and it did helped them.
My generic questions for you are these...

1) Your remedies did work for few to many, but I wanted to know that will such remedies only work when there is a little help from stars too?
e.g say that if a person who comes to you has a married life with ups and downs, then the remedies will help make those ups and downs smoother so that he can enjoy his married life in a better way. But what if the stars help in NO WAY, I mean what if God has denied him marriage....then still can remedies change that NO marriage to Yes marriage?

2) In you exp of astrology have you come across any remedies which can change a result, which has been completely denied, to a Yes?
   e.g in Akkalkot, near Solapur Maharashtra, in 17th century, Swami Samartha used to guide people in trouble. He was known to be dattatreya avatar.
   Once a old lady came to him for want of child and started serving him and did his bhakti a lot. Finally Swami samarth told to her that she did not had child in her destiny. Her reply was....destiny is decided by God, if God himself says this then why should a common man worship him. She continued her bhakti, finally swami samartha gave her 2 coconuts and indeed she had children.

   Thus, what is the factor by which destiny can be changed?

3) You had mentioned in one of your replies to my post that when the earth was formed it had a finite karma, that karma was distributed to all the atmas and thus karma cannot be created and destroyed, one has to leave all the karma here and then only he will be free from life and death.
Also, you had said that a person who wants to change his destiny wil have to observe...that if indeed he manages to change it, how many thing around him which change i.e how many people\'s karma which change due to it? Thus he wont be able to change the destiny.
But then I humbly ask you, how was Osama Bin laden able to change karmas of all those on WTC towers?
   a) If in reality every thing is hard programmed with no scope of change then how can one earn punya or how can one give up karma and leave this earth...because you had said that all is fixed.

   May be I have commited some mistake in quoting you wrongly here, I wrote what I remembered from your replies to various posts.

   I will be thankful to get your candid replies here.


Regards,
Rudra
Title: @virinchi
Post by: jayesh the angel on February 07, 2012, 12:36:04 AM
Hi All,
I want to share 2 experiences of my life  with all of you.
1) I fell down from a height of around 5 feet when I was only 2 months old on my head(back side) all the doctors said I wont survive, though they continued the treatment. My father didn\'t given up, he took me to a bigger hospital, got a neuro surgery done on my head.and I was ok and still leaving like a normal person. Will u say I was destined to live, little longer or you will say my father changed my destiny by reacting quickly.
2) My father showed my kundali to one of the astrologer and he said that I wont study much, would depend upon others for survival, and also advised my dad to open a shop for me so i can earn my lively hood, but I decided to study higher, I completed my graduation in management, an MBA degree and still perusing a degree in law.

Shouldn\'t we say we are the crafters of our destiny.
Title: @virinchi
Post by: JayTee on February 07, 2012, 08:29:18 AM
that astrologer may not have enough knowledge and may be he didnt know k.p astrology.
If you consult any k.p astrologer, none of them will mislead you
even in old fashioned astrology, accuracy can be obtained but it requires an astrologer to have lot of knowledge, experience and need to study atleast 5 different charts(minimum) of one person.

people will half baked knowledge used to wear dhoti, rudraksh etc and mislead the society for ages

you can post your details in astro reading forum (not here.. personal details will be deleted here) if you want to get better reading

regarding destiny and freewill...

freewill existed initially when creation started, but as we went on accumulating karma, now we\'re completely bond by it and almost everything is decided by planets.
even if a new soul comes into this creation now with 100% freewill, he/she will not have freedom to exercise it because of collective karma of others being more influential and powerful.
may be that new soul can have freewill if it lives in some area where there\'s no more humans
Title: @virinchi
Post by: rudra on February 07, 2012, 05:32:51 PM
@Jaytee

If what you said is true, then, how will you explain this:

A person ABC will commit bad deeds....but when he would be told by God that since he commited bad deeds he will have to face a bad life in his next incarnation. But then ABC strongly reacts and says......

\"O God!!! I had no free will, every thing was fixed, I behaved in such a way because you hard-programmed my life (horoscope)...so how can you blame me for my bad deeds???\"


Regards,
Rudra

[rquote=12096&topic=1600&author=JayTee]regarding destiny and freewill...

freewill existed initially when creation started, but as we went on accumulating karma, now we\'re completely bond by it and almost everything is decided by planets.
even if a new soul comes into this creation now with 100% freewill, he/she will not have freedom to exercise it because of collective karma of others being more influential and powerful.
may be that new soul can have freewill if it lives in some area where there\'s no more humans[/rquote]
Title: @virinchi
Post by: JayTee on February 07, 2012, 06:57:24 PM
the ultimate reality in philosphy is that god and we are not seperate entities.
Its just one soul creating multiple images of itself and acting as different beings in this creation.
And that is advaita.

so, your idea of blaming god will fail there bcos you are also god and you made a choice to be like this (its just that you forgot what was planned before you came to earth)

by the time you understand this \'reality\', you have nothing much to do on earth.
and by the time you \'experience\' this \'reality\', you\'ll leave thise planet.

thats why someone asked you to read and \'understand\' tripura rahasya in some other post.

souls on earth are not matured to same level, so one answer will not satisfy all of them.
each one needs to be told differently and public forums are not right place(as people start generalising each statement)

consult a guru personally if you dont follow tripura rahasya while reading it, or if you cant read it
Title: @virinchi
Post by: rudra on February 07, 2012, 08:26:02 PM
@Jaytee

Thanks for your answer. But still, I believe that one should not put a re-direction in place of an answer. My question to you was simple...I gave one analogy of a person ABC. If your humble answer to that analogy question is that I should go and read tripura rahasya then I think its unfair. Its like, telling a person to go and study KP astrology when that person had come to you for predictions. If you have indeed read (and understood Tripura Rahsya) then you can easily answer this analogy. I believe my question was very very simple and answer to it should not be a re-direction to tripura rahasya.


Self Realization, which you said should also be fixed and there will be a specific time scheduled for it. We all are images of God is correct, we forget why we took birth on this planet is also correct, but if at all we have taken birth now to face the music of all our deeds and we will be given no freewill now as we already have exahusted all of it in some of our initial births then this is not digestable. Birth of animals, all of them, have a fixed nature of life . They have absolutely no chance of getting liberated in that yoni. But the fact that one takes birth of a human directly means that gates of salvation have opened for us, yes, we have many things which we see as fixed but its just because we dont know the correct way to alter them...we usually use our will power which always fails. Simply because our will comes from our brain. Our brain is behaves as per our prarabdha.
There is one shloke in sanskrit \"Buddhi karma-nu-sarini\". This explains why \"vinash-kaal-vipirat-buddhi\". Thus applying logic or tricks or using will power will not alter the future.

I will like to quote here one line from Tripura Rahsya which is translated into English by SWAMI SRI RAMANANANDA SARASWATHI.

\"62. The current notion that one cannot escape one’s
destiny is applicable only to weak-minded and senseless
wastrels.\"

Thus tripura rahasya itself says what it says.

If you really feel that our lives are fully fixed and we dont have any freewill left, then the concept of right way and wrong way loose significance....because for us it does not matter which was we choose in life, right or wrong...as that way is already fixed for us.

I am really not trying to annoy you here, but please understand that we are humans, only humans are qualified for final liberation as per our shastras. Why? Why only humans and not animals...in fact animals perfectly obey their duties and unlike humans they never break the natural laws. Humans have been given ability to judge, think, and act. We have been sent here to pay for our past deeds as well as enjoy the good deeds. But we do have a freewill which is definitely restricted. But even using that restricted free will once can get liberated.

If what you say is fully true then our Moksha is also fixed.....so if you want to attan Moksha in this life then you will never get it as it was not written in your fate.....this means that all our shastras, which say that we should behave nicely with every one and do good deeds, is false. Since how we behave and what deeds we perform is already fixed..then how can we say that we deserve a place in heaven, hell or moksha as it ws already fixed. Why will Krishna say in 18th adhyaya in Gita that one should leave all relegions and surrender to him? If everything was fixed then surrendering or not surrendering to Krishna should also be fixed, thus our liberation is also fixed. In that case life becomes like a hard coded computer program.

Anyways, please try to answer my question about the person ABC, this will help every one I believe.

Kind Regards,
Rudra


[rquote=12098&topic=1600&author=JayTee]the ultimate reality in philosphy is that god and we are not seperate entities.
Its just one soul creating multiple images of itself and acting as different beings in this creation.
And that is advaita.

so, your idea of blaming god will fail there bcos you are also god and you made a choice to be like this (its just that you forgot what was planned before you came to earth)

by the time you understand this \'reality\', you have nothing much to do on earth.
and by the time you \'experience\' this \'reality\', you\'ll leave thise planet.

thats why someone asked you to read and \'understand\' tripura rahasya in some other post.

souls on earth are not matured to same level, so one answer will not satisfy all of them.
each one needs to be told differently and public forums are not right place(as people start generalising each statement)

consult a guru personally if you dont follow tripura rahasya while reading it, or if you cant read it[/rquote]
Title: @virinchi
Post by: JayTee on February 07, 2012, 09:43:17 PM
that ABC is heavily under influence of maaya and he strongly believes that god and himself are two seperate entities.
Infact many are.. only few have understood the reality and very few have experienced it.

your statement given by some swami is not in actual version of tripura.
it might be that swami\'s personal opinion, in which case you should consult him to get your answer.

tripura says, by attaining knowledge about advaita and soul, one can eliminate sanchita karma (accumulated since many lives) and aagami (created now in this life to be carried forward).
but prarabdha karma remains as long as we\'re in this body and it cant be removed by any means.

thats why even after dattatreya preached it to parasuram, he still had his prarabdha karma(fixed karma for this life time) with him and lived with it.

main reason why this karma cant be totally eliminated it because its relative (as explained by virinchi in other post) and for changing one\'s karma, many people karma needs to be changed.

about redirection : if you asked for predictions and i told you that in xyz dasa, this will happen.
then you question again that how will that happen and why cant it be changed ?
Then obviously i\'ve to ask you to understand k.p, because you want to know the reason/logic behind the prediction and get into its details.

Also, instead of arguing with everyone or trying to quote from books, why dont you apply and change your fate totally and set an example for others to follow? (i know you will conviniently say that you\'re not 100% sure about what might actually happen in your future, so its hard to modify it without actually knowing it.. so either be sure about what will happen, or stop thinking about this topic, because without knowing you cant do anything)

if a doctor claims that AIDS can be cured, nobody will believe him because this world has so far not seen 100% cure for AIDS.
until he invents a medicine and proves his point, he will be just wasting his time by making statements.

there\'s actual rahasya hidden in that book, which says that when you can take your mind to a level where you can travel back into your past karma and modify the root cause, you will see modified results in real life.
Its like you\'ve sown a tamarind seed in past and now you dont remember it but you want a mango.

When you start seeing tamarind tree coming up, you want to go back in time and sow mango tree and comeback to see it grow in reality.

This method was described by Sonipravin in some post about \'brain pulse\' (plz search for it). but i\'m not sure if he has applied and changed something, because he himself keeps asking astro queries about himself and his family.

so, until AIDS is proved to be cured by some medicine, it will considered as uncurable disease.
Title: @virinchi
Post by: sonipravin on February 08, 2012, 06:41:22 AM
Dear Jay Tee,

I have read your reply which is very knowledgeable. I will speak as a layman as I do not have knowledge of all that you have quoted so I quote you from personal experience:

I practise palmistry since 1989. In my palm my fate line ends at the age of 52. Right when I entered the year 52 the business started looking uncertain. Initially I did get good business as I had been getting since 1971 upto 1999 but at 1999 April I started feeling that I should retire and I hired a salesperson to help me in my business upcountry, which is what I used to do to get business. This person, though known to me, was not the right type and again I had to relieve him and continue with my work. I was strongly determined to extend this fate line and it did get extended though dimly. The result was the business was up and down and not as smooth as before.

Now the Sun Line supports the weak fate line from 52 and hence despite the ups and down I continued to earn, though not as much as before. I never bothered about my fate and went about my work with determination and got my fate line extended and new one emerged from the heart line, which was prominent.

After this change I came across my own Guru in1995. He is an expert Astrologer, Numerologist and a person who can see past and future through his Vision but this is done only on  Thursdays at Pooja and all were not informed the results of their query., but to those whom he replied he gave accurate information and is known to have given children to even impotent husbands. Even my Guru, when I introduced him to another respectable Aged Astrologer in Bombay was impressed with this Astrologer. My Guru asked him certain astrological questions too though he was himself an expert astrologer.

This Astrologer (Kaka Gajeria) had some 3 months back been hospitalised and Haemoglobin reduced to 4. He would perform Pooja daily at his house for 2 hours. He did free reading to all and because of his honesty and sincerity to help others he would at times give replies which was not from astrological calculations but they all turned out to be correct and we claim it to be the Voice of God (Intuition). When my Guru met him he immediately predicted that 2 years from now you will face even more serious health problems and that turned out to be true. This was done purely through his Future Vision of this Astrologer. He gave him remedy too and when the time arrived I know my Guru protected him. Maybe all this couldbe in his karma but I know for sure this person has survived many times being on the verge of Death and is now a healthy person at the age of 76 with Haemoglobin 15.

You change yourself or you keep yourself much above the normal health limit at such an advanced stage only through Good Karma and this is what this Astrologer did. He helped many people through his Guidance and pooja (both astrologically and spiritually). He was instrumental in saving one IPS Officer from the wrath of a Minister through his Pooja. He saved a Jain Mandir from being demolished through his pooja though Govt. were hell bent on demolishing it as it was unauthorised.

What I am implying is that my Guru and the Astrologers both were good Astrologers and also very high spiritually and still believed in each other and sought the advise of the other or asked the other questions just like you said that I asked the question on astrology advise.

When I met my Guru in 1995 May, he took me to my Sadguru and after meeting HIM I found a person who has total command, control of everything that HE did. HE could do almost anything. In fact there are people who have said that HE never failed in solving the problems of anyone through HIS Wisdom and Spiritual Powers, though HE told me once that all diseases are cured by simple Brainwashing. You have to know where the defect lies and you have to remove it through proper guidance of that person. Even Cancer, Failed Kidneys etc. etc. can be cured through this method and HE always did it. Still despite all HIS powers and a person who can see all your previous births and also where you will in the future, HE also asks us certain things that we cannot understand why?

HE once asked to get an admission for a child of a girl, whose parents were HIS followers, in a school run by my Brother. This girl stayed very near that school. Why did HE ask that for I know He can do it very easily through HIS powers. HIS purpose was that my Bhabhi, who had met this Sadguru too, would erase some of her karmas by giving admission to this child.

I have seen HIM change the destiny of so many persons but would not know whether that person\'s fate showed change or not.

Whether you can change your destiny or not we can believe more strongly once we have changed our own. Only then we can say that one can change his destiny.

Pravin Kumar
 
Title: @virinchi
Post by: Varenya on February 08, 2012, 08:57:01 AM
@sonipravin
people here will not believe you because according to your horoscope in k.p, your predictions were made (even in horary) by Virinchi, seetaram and others and you accepted them to be true in other threads (ref. horary section).

If your fate was changed, virinchi & co would have failed to predict your chart correctly.

so either those palmists and astrologers didnt have enough knowledge and only mislead you.

If you could change fate, you would have tried it on your son\'s fate too.

so instead of just making misleading statements, comeback with proofs.
infact i too want to change fate and i\'m looking upto you.
Title: @virinchi
Post by: jayesh the angel on February 08, 2012, 11:05:26 PM
hi all,
Very rightly said by varenyaji, same thing happened with me a month ago. I was expecting a promotion this jan, one astrologer looking at my horoscope said Ill get the promotion and another said no chance atleast for a year.
 but ultimately I got the promotion.
so this thing proves, most of the practicing astrologers do not even see the any other chart than lagn chart, if he would have analysed my d-10 chart correctly he would have been able to predict accurately.
So whenever we are consulting any astrologer who says, lagn chart is sufficiant to predict, we must understand that he does not hold complete knowledge of divisional chart.
Learned gurus, please correct em if I am wrong in my experience.

|Jayesh.
Title: @virinchi
Post by: Virinchi on December 01, 2012, 02:55:28 PM
if you watched the movie : The Adjustment Bureau (2011), you\'ll understand this better.
Especially the lastlines about freewill
Title: @virinchi
Post by: SaSirEkha on December 05, 2012, 09:12:51 AM
yes i too saw this movie and agree with what you said.
Freewill is withdrawn to large extent from human race after we made a  hell out of this planet
Title: @virinchi
Post by: sateeshas on December 05, 2012, 04:35:22 PM
Dear All,

Can you any one suggest me the basic steps to change Destiny.
Am struggling lot in my Career. Can any one help me on this.

Regards,
Sateesha S
Title: @virinchi
Post by: rudra on December 26, 2012, 04:46:57 AM
One simple way is this.....

1) Try to help all who come across you from now on.
2) Remove pride, jealousy, envy etc...from you
3) Pray to God

You will have to change yourself as to how you think, behave etc from now on to follow previous 2 points. This process is slow so dont expect immediate results. It may take as much time as your bad karma is, but ultimately it will depend on God if he agrees to change your destiny when he is convinced that you have changed for good.

Kind Regards,
Rudra

[rquote=15335&topic=1600&author=sateeshas]Dear All,

Can you any one suggest me the basic steps to change Destiny.
Am struggling lot in my Career. Can any one help me on this.

Regards,
Sateesha S[/rquote]
Title: @virinchi
Post by: sateeshas on December 26, 2012, 12:20:13 PM
Dear Rudra,

Thanks for the info.

Regards,
Sateesh S
Title: Tried to change the destiny? Anyone?
Post by: N Murthy on April 11, 2019, 01:20:14 PM
horoscope is nothing but the "list of all events and actions that would be attempted in one life time".
There is no meaning in "i wish to change my destiny".

if one tries to change any event, it is also already pre-written in their horoscope.
so, don't bother about changing events, things, destiny or horoscope.
whatever the action is taken, already pre-written in horoscope.
 
Title: Tried to change the destiny? Anyone?
Post by: 100%pure on May 23, 2019, 02:21:16 PM
Keep trying to know. Result will be only 1. That was certainly destined for you then.
Title: Tried to change the destiny? Anyone?
Post by: varanasi.sitaram on May 29, 2019, 02:00:57 PM
The Question is  like this:

Say if a guy Chart says he will be the CM, then would the Date of Results will inadvertently
fall on the day where he is certain to win

If a guy is to be getting a good offer, then will he inadvertently go for the select day

Title: Tried to change the destiny? Anyone?
Post by: man031270 on April 25, 2020, 10:30:05 PM
the adjustment bureau 2011

the chairman(god.allah,bhagwan)'s people try hard to stop meeting hero and heroine due to pre written plan by chairman.
but hero doesn't give up and try harder to get her.
here one of god's man help him.we can say prophet.saint.
in the end chairman change their pre written life plan.

The last lines from film as virinchi sir indicated.

Quote
Most people live life on
the path we set for them.

Too afraid to explore any other.

But once in a while,
people like you come along

who knock down all the
obstacles we put in your way.

People who realise free will is a
gift you'll never know how to use

until you fight for it.

I think that's the
Chairman's real plan,

that maybe one day
we won't write the plan.

You will.


I saw movie but who can't,i summarized story to understand topic's conclusion.
Title: Tried to change the destiny? Anyone?
Post by: prasadkumaro on September 24, 2020, 02:22:53 AM
You cannot change destiny!!
It is pre written based on your Karmas, You should use your free will to do good karmas so that once you pay off your old debts you have some relief!!