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GENERAL DISCUSSION => Politics & Issues => Topic started by: Virinchi on May 12, 2010, 09:48:03 AM

Title: Do we need more religious places and Gurus/Babas now?
Post by: Virinchi on May 12, 2010, 09:48:03 AM
I dont see what have all these so-called gurus, sadgurus and \'bad\'gurus  have done to india or any other country over all those centuries

India, with a population of almost 1.2 billion has 2500000 temples+masjids+churches+gurudwaras etc religious places but only 1500000 schools across the country.

We boast about ancient history, tradition, vedas etc but in education, literacy and standard of living we\'re in 139th position in this world with less than 200 countries.

Before talking about spirit and god, lets think of food, education and better standard of living for all
Title: Fake Babas
Post by: Samantha on May 12, 2010, 10:06:33 AM
we had enough of gurus and babas who proved to be useless for mankind
infact the word \'baba\' or \'guru\' has become abused so much now that people have lost interest in them
few idiots still fall prey to them anyways
Title: Fake Babas
Post by: sonipravin on May 12, 2010, 02:23:29 PM
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To say that all Babas are corrupt is to say that there is no good and purity left in this world anywhere. Because of 5% good people living everything is going on as smooth as possible. Imagine if all the people were evil/corrupt how would one be able to live at all. There would be anarchy. Even now we find such nice people.

The reason there are many fake babas are because there are many persons who are also fake and get trapped by these fake babas when they are in trouble. Like attracts Like. If evil meets pure then there would be repulsion. Evil attracts evil and pure attracts pure. Again when these babas have learned that with little knowledge they can easily dupe people temples  have multiplied and evil is speading around but amongst all those temples one will also find genuine ones. How you reach that place and the right person will depend on you. Always test a Baba by your questions and if you are satisfied with the answers and if the Baba does not ask anything in return then be satisfied that he is genuine.

Pravin Kumar
Title: Fake Babas
Post by: jannu on May 12, 2010, 02:43:42 PM
Probably we are frstrated with people who acted as gurus and babas. This indicates the need of one guru to prove what exactly a guru is.

I feel gurus or babas are not only to teach religious practices and talk about god. Infact they guides us to lead a happy materialistic life and spiritual progress (Iham and param both)

 
Title: Fake Babas
Post by: Virinchi on May 12, 2010, 05:12:19 PM
my question is not whether those babas are good or bad.
my question is do we need so many religious places and preachers which have outnumbered the schools in india
in a country where people lack education and proper standard of living, whats the point in pouring more and more money into building temples, promoting gods and religions by spending millions on festivals and especially all those celebrations in places like tirupati etc?

which guru of recent times have done anything good for betterment of this country?
including vivekananda, every guru preached and died.
none set an example by following and showing practical results
Title: Fake Babas
Post by: sonipravin on May 12, 2010, 05:49:31 PM
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Virinchi,

When you come to Bombay and meet me I shall take you to my Guru and then you decide for  yourself.  All Saints and Good persons look simple, dress simple are humble so much so that one cannot believe such a person can be so great a human being but truth is in simplicity you find God. Take example of any Saints.

Nityanand Baba, Pilot Baba, Baba Kashivishwanth, Sai Baba and so on and so forth. Pilot Baba is still in body in Delhi.  Then there is Junglee Maharaj in his 2nd or 3rd Birth in Shirdi and he is very much there in body. You can meet him personally and decide for yourself. When you meet a true Sadguru you will be moved beyond words but you must be a true and sincere person and following the right path otherwise it would not be possible to meet such Saints. Only the chosen few can meet them. I tried to take many persons to my Sadguru but for some reason or the other the trip got cancelled but those my Sadguru wanted to meet, they were blessed by meeting HIM.

As for so many temples and festivals etc. etc. you should know many politicians are behind these festivals and also building of temples is done more with ulterior motives most of the time. A real temple is within.

Pravin Kumar

P.S. I had met one more Baba (cannot remember his name) after my marriage and nobody would believe HE had such supernatural powers as he looked so simple living in a very small cave which can accomodate only 2 persons. His clothes were bare minimum and words spoken had that power of speech.
Title: Fake Babas
Post by: Virinchi on May 12, 2010, 05:57:35 PM
i did not question are babas good or bad.
my question was whats the need of god or religion itself when our basic needs are not yet satisfied

man needs food, clothing, shelter and then education.
After those basics are fulfilled, they will think of religion , god or spirituality and then to guide them,they need guru

All existing gurus will be useless to this country till we all (120 crores of people) each that stage.

Infact god himself is useless at this stage where many in this country need education and discipline. Not salvation.

If 40% are uneducated and 60% live below poverty line, whats the use of spending time and money on religion which didnt do anything to uplift this society
who cares if some baba has some supernatural powers?
We need someone who can inspire the nation and lead them by setting examples
mere preaching is timewaste
Title: Fake Babas
Post by: sonipravin on May 12, 2010, 07:18:04 PM
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Virinchi,

What I am trying to explain is something different. Nobody will follow religion first. We all require food, money, clothes, shelter etc. etc. God has these Saints who do their work for God in all parts of the world. What they do is to teach you how to get happiness, peace of mind etc. etc. When you learn that you get food money everything easily. This teaching is for those who do not know the right direction. We gain knowledge from our elders who play the role of Baba in our life. We get education from our Teachers in School and Colleges. We learn a lot from a chance meeting with an intelligent and matured gentleman or woman. I have travelled for 38 years all my life throughout the country on work and I have met many great human being who have influenced me greatly.

I have written this in My Experiences of Life and I give it again. When I was 14 I was standing on a railway station awaiting the train. The train was approaching and a poor lady was crossing the platform towards the edge of the platform. Suddenly I got some push within and I ran towards her, pulled her back just in the last second and the train passed by coming to a halt. What I did for her is what prompted me from inside. I never contemplated helping her but it was HIS prompting. This is what Babas, the true ones do. Do you call this supernatural powers. If you are honest and truthful in your work you will gradually get this powers too. It is so simple and yet very difficult.

I was travelling in a bus reciting my Gayatri Mantra when I saw 2 hefty boys coming in the bus and one picked up a quarrel with a poor labour man who seemed to have brushed this boy while trying to get down. This hefty boy was so angry that he almost brought his wrist to box the teeth out of that man when I just realised what was going to happen. I prayed to my Baba to save that man. The very next moment the boy seemed to confused, brought down his wrist and calmly sat down in a nearby seat. The man was saved. There are hundreds of such instances in my life. I do not claim any magical powers but they happen to me so many times.

There was a time when I boarded a train in Kanpur in the night searching for my berth when a boy from the top berth fell down and broke his head with blood gushing out from his head. I prayed to my Baba and the very next moment a man who was fully equipped with bandaid and patti, immediately attended to this boy and applied Tincture, Dettol or whatever it was and tied a cloth on his head so that there is no infection. I asked the same person next morning when he was getting down from the train: From where did you get all that medicine etc. The man calmly replied he always carried it with him. Isn\'t it a huge coincidence. This has been happening to me so many times and hence my belief in Good.

When you are doing good you develop energy inside you which helps you in attracting goodness towards you and also those who may require your help. In that case are you to blame if people start calling you Baba. Incidentally those who donate their life for the welfare of humanity are true Babas and they are always there for you in need provided you follow the path of spirituality. They cannot bear any ill will or hatred towards anyone otherwise they lose their powers. They cannot ask you for money or any favors or again they lose their powers. You may give them whatever you like out of your own free will or happiness which is accepted and distributed to others as Prasad like Sweets etc.

Pravin Kumar
Title: Fake Babas
Post by: SaSirEkha on May 13, 2010, 09:26:35 AM
i think sonipravin is trying to defend his guru but now understanding the question of virinchi properly

the question was : do we need MORE gurus now?

that means we already have more than enough and lets spend some time and money on basic needs of people but not spirituality.
just look at the statistics
2.5 millions religious places compared to 1.5 million schools/colleges
Title: Fake Babas
Post by: Seetaram on May 13, 2010, 10:36:04 AM
i agree with virinchi here
attainning knowledge and moksha/salvation for yourself when millions of your fellow humans are dying of hunger around you is selfishness
and such people and their gurus will never attain any stage (they just live in illusions that they\'ve achieved soemthing)
Title: Fake Babas
Post by: DCP on May 13, 2010, 07:11:05 PM
i too agree here
we had enough of gods, avatars, gurus (both \'sad\'gurus and \'bad\'gurus)
even the statement of lord krishna in geetha looks silly now

\'whenever injuctice prevails he will come down and reset it to justice\'

when you have created everyone, why let injustice take over and why keep coming down everytime to prove something?
why cant you set it right once and for all if you are the supreme power?

same applies to these gurus who did nothing to this country.
None of their preachings or spiritual power could even change atleast one corrupt politician
Title: Fake Babas
Post by: Suniljitto on May 14, 2010, 09:20:42 AM
I would like to share something....In the year 2007,I got an increament in my salary,HR Guy of my company told me to make some heavy investment(Say Rs. \"Y\") to evade the income tax....I got worried and i discussed it with one of my one relative....
You wont imagine,how he helped me out.....He took me to an Ashram of our Family Guru (i wd not like to Name him)who is well renowned in North India..I was asked to Pay \"X\" amount and was given a reciept of \"Y\" amount which was four times higher than what i actually paid.
So these Guru\'s are nothing just the tax savers.
And with this Money,these so called Gurus travel aboard and stay there for months in the pleasant weather and travel in the Luxurious Cars.
We can not deny the fact here that the ladies of our houses dont ask for a glass of water to their husbands when they come home from their work places,but you can easily find them carrying the cowdungs on their head at these ashrams...

To Sum Up, when the quantities of such Guru\'s have increased hundred times,so has the corruptions,family disputes,rapes,crimes etc ets

Its high time for we Indians to wake up now
Title: Fake Babas
Post by: sonipravin on May 15, 2010, 01:20:33 PM
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Dear Friends,

Your questions is why are so many temples? Who makes the temples and are we bound to go there. There are so many corrupt people and corruption is rampant and if you case do we need them? What is the answer. If we do not go to the temples then why bother. If you are doing your work and earning a good livelihood then why bother. What exactly do you want you have to work for it to get it. We cannot answer why there are so many temples. If gullible people go there then there are temples. Do not go there and there won\'t be any temples. Do not patronise corrupt people and in fact Socially boycott them and they too will disappear.

I remember long time back in Nagpur local people made a politician eat humble pie by socially boycotting him. Can we all do it? If we do that we can bring Politician, who look much above God, to see reason and realise our wants and difficulties. But who will bell the cat. To want something one has to work for it. I cannot say I want such and such thing and not work for it and still expect to get it. So which ever direction the country is going is because we turn our blind eye to it. If schools and colleges are much less then it is because people find it easy to earn money without any education probably. So many persons are uneducated is because politicians do not want them to be educated thus keeping them backward.

As for my defending my Guru is because I find from general posts that so many have made indicating they are all fake. Since I have come across genuine persons in my life I cannot help it. I therefore do not doubt such people. You see goodness in others.

Pravin Kumar


Title: Fake Babas
Post by: Ranjana on May 17, 2010, 04:42:02 PM
yes.. who will bet the cat is your question.
we will bell the cat was nagpur people\'s answer.

i think this thread is about stopping questions and calling shots
Title: Fake Babas
Post by: SaSirEkha on June 01, 2010, 11:17:13 AM
its high time that govt step in and control all these fake gurus who keep emerging everyday n form new ashrams
but it wont happen cos all un-taxed black money of these politicians is safe guarded by those gurus whose ashrams are good spot for prostituition and politics
Title: Fake Babas
Post by: Seetaram on June 01, 2010, 05:28:54 PM
one more fake baba got exposed today
this prediction on may 9th  got true now
https://www.astrogle.com/astro-predictions/fake-babas-and-temple-scandals-in-india.html

this fake baba in vizag city was caught by a newschannel and they demanded 5 million from him not to expose him.
This episode was exposed by other channel
Title: Fake Babas
Post by: Sushma on January 30, 2011, 05:32:10 PM
if we had one genuine strong preacher, we dont need others to incarnate in all ages
but none were strong enough and people never followed anyone sincerely, so they keep coming and still useless
Title: Do we need more religious places and Gurus/Babas now?
Post by: Star Dust on August 02, 2013, 11:46:31 AM
after so much exposure by media, fake babas effect seems to be reduced since last yr
Title: Do we need more religious places and Gurus/Babas now?
Post by: SSB on August 03, 2013, 11:36:55 PM
Virinchi, u r right no need of temples but peoples life is according to their karma's, do you meant that god creates this world without thinking? surely u r not, u r master in astrology just bcoz of god so u can help people n similar guru's  :)
Title: Do we need more religious places and Gurus/Babas now?
Post by: SaSirEkha on August 27, 2013, 06:42:26 PM
The problem is with more number of temples when compared to schools, parks or roads.
There are many religious places which suddenly popup in middle of a road or even constructed by occupying a land allotted for school or park.
This has become a business as there's no accountability for funds collected and spent.
This is the best TAX-FREE income source in india
Title: Do we need more religious places and Gurus/Babas now?
Post by: msrhprasad on August 27, 2013, 08:31:46 PM
Now a days its very good earning business ;)
to get good paying job...need to study very well do hard work.
to do business, need to face risks,tensions etc., invest the huge amount etc.,
For Babas / Swamijies its very very easy. No Investment,risks,tensions every thing is free...fame,money,respect,and film starts  ;) 8)   
but poor people can't fulfill their needs by doing hard work...in the country :(
in A.P one Maharshi (is called Ramanandha) whenever we need , he can show us "AATMA DARSHAN"...and another one is called Kalki and Amma Bhagavan.
Rates are different
for only darshan / to touch feet / to stay with them for 5 min  etc..you need to pay thousands. their specialty is they can give us MOKSHA..ready made...by just paying money and to attend few meetings.
no prayers,karmas, no thing to do...need not wait. its good offer..public running behind them. ;D